Fourth Annual BF betleH Tournament - Medical attention at the tourney

KentraDonrav Combatant Trills rule. Posts: 248 Gender:	Re: Medical attention at the tourney Reply #15 - Feb 20^th, 2006, 12:15pm Would armour be something that had to be added into the fight generator? Couldn't we just assume they were wearing armour? Those who aren't Klingon maybe are wearing specialized light weight armour that gives the same protection but doesn't weigh as much?
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Re: Medical attention at the tourney
Reply #16 - Feb 20^th, 2006, 12:36pm

Vulcan's being noticably strong is canon. Klingons being stronger is implied but arguably it could simply be that they are fit where as not all humans are. Certainly the zakdorn are not physically fit.

In the combat app, vulcans do more damage. Not much, but it adds up. If I expand the race strength list that's what it will do. I just need canon evidence for the strength of each race. Some think bolians are stronger, some don't. What about cardies?

I could do the same with agility, I just need evidence of who is better than who. For armor I could make armor reduce your stength bonus but add to blocking. Maybe reduce your stamina. The trick is to find a balance so there isn't a best way to fight... or maybe there is... Klingons wear armor for a reason.

Do people want that? If I do this it could make some characters who are good now (Wolfe, Bremer) be not as good and never be as good as Klingons. And I'd have to make a user's guide. Borg armor - choose this is you are an ex drone or cyborg who has some metal replacement parts internally. For stamina you have to conside nano probes. Do we really want bob the ensign who was a borg for 6 months to kick ass in the app because he has nano probes?

How complex do I shoot for?

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Jackie Clawson Combatant Kitty's Killer Kitty! Posts: 589 Gender:	Re: Medical attention at the tourney Reply #17 - Feb 20^th, 2006, 12:41pm I'd say just have the Klingon armor.....since this IS a betleH tourney and they fight with betleH only.... (else people will start asking to fight with weapons other than the betleH)
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Re: Medical attention at the tourney
Reply #18 - Feb 20^th, 2006, 2:57pm

When it comes to healing, I don't see a problem with characters receiving treatment from match to match if it is realistic. If a character has cuts to be patched up from one match to the next, that's one thing. If they have broken bones that need to be healed before thier next match which is in like an hour, is that possible? I'm not a medic so I can answer this with any authority but too me it seems unlikely that they could get something major passed up and get medical clearence in an hour. Now if their next match is the next day then possibly.

As far as changes to the fight system, I could see adding parts that takes into effect armor or a character's agility. The basis concepts have been esatblished in the table-top roleplay games and could be modified to fit the tournament. But for me if we do this we would have to avoid things being tied too much to a character's race. For example instead of saying, character x is a Klingon so he strength and agility is Y and Z, Character X states that they think their strength and agilty is Y and Z because of _______. Then the judges have to approve this or not.

Adding stuff like this I think would work but I just don't want things to get to a point that the only applications we get are for Flood Blooded Klingons who are wearing armor that has been sprayed with PAM for added agility right after they ate their wheaties mixed with Gagh. The first competition had an even playing field. TOO even as K'hare pointed out to me and I agreed changes needed to be made to make it more realistic. But K'hare if you ever get someone that wants their Nano probes taken into account let me know, I'll handle that one. Wink

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Re: Medical attention at the tourney
Reply #19 - Feb 20^th, 2006, 3:09pm

If we're talking realistic, then the Admirals and whatnot fighting at the tournament (especially those that are TFCOs or our BFCO even if he does fight dirty....).. well I'm sure Starfleet wouldn't like to lose any of them and how exactly do they view this sort of thing anyway? I'm sure if it was allowed, they'll want more medical personnel there to handle things. (since for isntance in TNG the Captain can't really go on away missions and beam down into hostile environments....)

cuts and bruises and sprains are one thing, indeed and it's realistic to get them fixed. but broken bones and such will take more time to heal properly even with the technology in Star Trek. and what about things like concussions?

and if hte medical treatement is authorized, then shouldn't all the fighters (at least the non Klingon ones) get a checkup after every match to make sure they're not 'in a serious condition'? and of course it's up to the fighters to accept or deny it, depending on their honor stance and how deeply they value Klingon tradition. or how badly they're hurt.

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Re: Medical attention at the tourney
Reply #20 - Feb 20^th, 2006, 4:24pm

I'd say let people RP themselves getting a check-up if they want, but that it wouldn't affect the fighting stats. I RPed that Kentra got medical attention after a fight, and then I RPed her being worn down the next fight, and made mention of sore ribs in subsequent fights. However if my writing about a potential injury would have affected my combat stats I probably wouldn't have since I wanted to give my best shot at getting into round two.

I think the combat app is cool, and it's a way to decide a winner. It relies on people being honest about their character, and I think the more stats you add to it, the more catagories for strenght or speed, they'll all just rely on people RPing well and being truthful about their character.

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Re: Medical attention at the tourney
Reply #21 - Feb 20^th, 2006, 7:17pm

Q'ol does not wear armor at the tourney.

be'eQaraH would remove her armor is she was fighting someone who did not wear armor at a tourney.

In battle you can't take your armor off if your enemy doesn't wear armor, but here to make it fair, Q'ol doesn't wear armor, even if she is fighting a Klingon who is wearing armor.

It is an honor thing with her.

As to the medical question. I think other species should be allowed to do what they want, but I don't think it is particularly fair. They are weak and have been raised that way though, if we don't let them dope up and dermally regenerate they might cry to their Mothers about it, and then we have to deal with a horde of angry Mothers.

Even Human and Ferengi Mothers are scary if you mess with their offspring.

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Re: Medical attention at the tourney
Reply #22 - Feb 21^st, 2006, 11:11am

Quote from Jackie Clawson on Feb 20^th, 2006, 3:09pm:

If we're talking realistic, then the Admirals and whatnot fighting at the tournament (especially those that are TFCOs or our BFCO even if he does fight dirty....)..

Fleet Admirals are old and weak (well, the realistic ones, anyway). They need some sort of leveller. May as well be fighting dirty. We all know the Federation's a galactic con anyway. lips sealed

/Murray, not Hunter

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Re: Medical attention at the tourney
Reply #23 - Feb 21^st, 2006, 12:28pm

About medical care...I agree it's a bit far-fetched to have someone who is near dead up and fighting in an hour. But if you are going to say that honor 'only' allows Klingons folk medicine, isn't that technically Klingon medicine? So that a Klingon seeking the most of Klingon care would be the same as another speices seeking the most of their care available. But I would also suggest that SF medicine be available to any that want it. By the same token, if you can con someone out of the Klingon stimulants, go for it!

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QolavraH Combatant Without honor, there is nothing. Posts: 94 Gender:	Re: Medical attention at the tourney Reply #24 - Feb 22^nd, 2006, 2:21pm Quote from Bettina Davies on Feb 21^st, 2006, 12:28pm: if you can con someone out of the Klingon stimulants, go for it! qa'vIn and ra'taj both are available to all in the Lucky Strike Bar and Grill. I even checked to make sure it is not replicated! No need to be a Ferengi and con anyone out of these things.
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Re: Medical attention at the tourney
Reply #26 - Mar 9^th, 2006, 11:49pm

Well if Humans used the light weight body armour that Intel and heavy Frontline soldiers use for field battles, they would be protected and have freedom of movement to.

As for the doping thing. That is a misnomer. You can treat a patient without giving them a drug that is doping in nature. So, I say Humans should have the Federation Medical Care and Klingons their care.

If a Human patient is critically injured then yes of course one would have to do surgery on them which would require putting them to sleep, again that can be done without doping the patient up.

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Reply #27 - Mar 10^th, 2006, 1:53am

Having thought on this I am tempted to say that in the future, you are restricted to Klingon medicine because this is a Klingon tourney. That doesn't mean you have to have a Klingon doctor, just that you are limited in what can be done. That seems to fit with this being a Klingon tourney and it would allow for someone to cheat.. not that it will have an afffect in character, unless people want me to put in the ability to cheat and the chance of getting caught and disqualified.

But doing the change above.. that is, restricting medical care to fold medicine means:

1. I have to clearly define what that is. What can and can't be done.

2. People have to have fewer injuries early in the tourney.

3. There needs to be more time to rest IC.

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Re: Medical attention at the tourney
Reply #28 - Mar 12^th, 2006, 1:55am

1. I have to clearly define what that is. What can and can't be done.

This could be done and if there are things that come up next year, then we deal with them the year after and add them to the list.
I don't have a problem with people getting dermally regenerated and whatever. What I have a problem with is if Q'olavraH gets her thigh sliced open to the bone and she gets QaraH to put some plants on it and stitch it up with catgut and she has to fight an hour after that, I will portray the slice to the thigh and the weakness it presents.
I have seen others get sliced open and then they go see the Doc and the Doc uses those magic Federation things to take care of it.. so then Q'ol faces this person and they are good as new, but Q'ol still has her cut. Surface wounds, fine, regenerate away, lord knows you don't want some scar marring your perfect Federation faces.

2. People have to have fewer injuries early in the tourney.

How I would solve this is the opening rounds the ones that are one after the other.. Make there be a no strike rule. No hitting your opponent hard enough to draw blood, or break bone. Bruises and scratches are fine. Anyone who breaks this rule is disqualified.

3. There needs to be more time to rest IC.

More time for bloodwine. I'm all for this!

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Re: Medical attention at the tourney
Reply #29 - Mar 12^th, 2006, 3:59am

Actually my current thought was that the day of hell with all the matches would be be first blood or first strike, not a full disarm. But I'd still use the disarm for the app because first X in the app right now is too random.

Does that make since? IC is first strike, OOC is still the app doing disarm. I just didn't want to post that before people had time to think about it.

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